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Friday, December 12, 2008

Brother Libertarian?

What do Tom Selleck, Kurt Russell, and Clint Eastwood have in common? Number one, they are all movie actors (and the roles they have played weren't always the best), number two, they're self professed libertarians. That, in and of itself, is scary, very, very scary.


According to one libertarian website the definition of libertarianism is this:


Libertarians support maximum liberty in both personal and

economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one
that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.

Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose

government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate

diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.


Notice the wording: "tolerate diverse lifestyles". Libertarians don't believe in legislating anything that comes close to morality. For example, they don't believe that goverment should make laws about "prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs". Now look at their definition of conservatives:


Conservatives tend to favor economic freedom, but frequently

support laws to restrict personal behavior that violates "traditional
values." They oppose excessive government control of business,

while endorsing government action to defend morality and the

traditional family structure. Conservatives usually support a strong

military, oppose bureaucracy and high taxes, favor a free-market

economy, and endorse strong law enforcement.


Notice that “tolerating diverse lifestyles” is not included.

Want to find out what you are? Check out this ten question (yep, just ten) online quiz to see! This quiz is not only quick it is also very interesting. When you get the results (right there on the website - no wait-for-an e-mail deal.) you will see how you were graded, 0% up to 100%. Zero percent means that you don’t agree with libertarians at all, 100% you are one of the strictest libertarians out there. The way it is presented it almost seems that getting zero percent on the test means that you got all of the answers wrong, whereas getting one hundred percent means that you were dead right.


Right or Wrong?


The question is who decides what is right and wrong? To the libertarian this is a hard question. A conservative, like me, says: "God decided what's wrong and what's right". Notice I said God decided; truth is always truth, two plus two makes four, not five, not some of the time, all of the time. It's all fun and games until someone looses an eye. Should we all be like the guys in judges, where: "every man did that which was right in his own eyes"? If you think this is the way to it should be, read the rest of the book of Judges in the Bible


Conclusion:


When you get to the core principles of libertarianism it’s pretty shocking. This group calls for self government, and yet, they don't seem to realize that human beings have never been able to govern themselves by themselves, at least not correctly. Living in a homosexual lifestyle is wrong because it spreads terrible diseases. Can we make laws to try and stop this? The libertarian I think would say no, I, on the other hand, say yes. Tolerating other people’s lifestyles is great, but limiting government to a point where it no longer protects people from other’s harmful lifestyles is not. Remember, we do have the right to life.

6 comments:

  1. "Libertarians don't believe in legislating anything that comes close to morality"

    Interesting. :)

    I definitely see your point, but in a sense, you can't legislate anything at all except morality (if that made any sense... I probably wrote it as clear as mud...).

    For example, the system of taxation that this country uses is inherently a moral issue. Some taxation systems, for example, are nothing more then "legalized" theft, in that they are designed to steal from certain people and give financial or other benefits to other people.

    Law and government are interesting topics, that's for sure... :)

    - Nathan

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  2. Nathan,

    You are absolutely correct. Probably most Libertarians don't agree with us on that though. Great comment.

    Thanks for visiting the blog,

    -Trent

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  3. I'm with ya, this post is all truth!!!

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  4. Any quiz that thinks it can label you based on 10 questions is stupid.

    Sorry, maybe that word is harsh, but I think it's appropriate.

    Trent, Libertarians have no problem saying what's right and what's wrong. There are two classes in my book. The first group believes that there are no moral absolutes, therefore the government can't enforce them. The second really believe that their morals are absolute and don't need the government to prop them up. Don't you think your moral code should be able to survive without government proping it up?

    The biggest oxymoron is when conservatives refuse to prop up businesses because they believe in competition and then deny competition for morality. I personally believe Christ will win without the support of government. Can't you give Him that much credit?

    "Everyone does what is right in their own eyes."

    So, a counter question to conservatives: do you really beleive that someone should be forced to do what is right in SOMEONE ELSE'S eyes?

    PS: I am not a libertarian, just mad at
    "conservatives."

    > < > Brian

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  5. Getting fed up with "conservatives" is something we have in common, although we are probably not upset about the same areas.

    I am a little confused (don't worry confusion comes easy for me) at what you are saying. Are we supposed to not have laws that have something to do with morality? You may want to check out Nathan Malone's comment.

    Morality is not what someone else thinks is right. You can't get to the truth simply by thinking, are minds can come up with all sorts of different conclusions and twist data to prove all of them. Absolute morality, yep, I believe in it.

    I also don't get the "deny competition of morality" stuff, you want there to be competition about whether murder is right or not? I don't think you do. I do think you may want to define what you are referring to as "morality" because I think (and hope) we're arguing about two different things.

    "I personally believe Christ will win without the support of government."

    Me too, but government is in a pretty sad state without supporting Him.

    Morality is not what someone else thinks is right (unless you are referring to Jesus Christ being that Someone Else). You can't get to the truth simply by thinking, are minds can come up with all sorts of different conclusions and twist data to prove all of them. Absolute morality is absolute because or absolutely all knowing God made them that way.

    Brian, I'm having a hard time figuring out what you think government should do?

    I'd love to here your answer (oh, and I replied to your comment on "Sister Constitutionalist?" waiting to know your thoughts...)

    Thanks for posting. I love debates, I just wish I knew exactly where you are coming from because it sound pretty crazy! :)

    -Trent

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